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@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon peertube link https://neat.tube/w/4Q8c4dSXSxodcNVkSmCzVK

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon When the dev got employed they posted that on all their channels and its very clearly stated on the about page. Its quite far down I agree but it is said.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon PT says very clearly that its testing default settings, because it would be a hell a lot more work to set up all browsers in the most private way.
And how far would you go, most hardcore privacy people recommend something like arcanfox for FF or digging in flags but I doubt most FF users are even aware of the existence or would go in to flags.
And people disagree for a lot of settings which are more private so testing defaults is the thing that makes the most sense.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon Jon even notes himself how many people don't change defaults, now Vivaldi is in a position were it probably mostly attracts power users, so people who do change defaults, except probably for the cars where it is the default browser. So people that stay with defaults just don't get privacy.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon That is one selling point for browsers like Brave, Librewolf or Mullvad, you choose privacy by choosing the browser and they provide you with default protections.
I don't understand why you have to complain, just don't market Vivaldi as the privacy choice, but as a choice with a privacy option, just say you don't think it should be a default instead of blaming the dev for having a job.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon Last think I don't like is Vivaldis way of thinking about privacy protections.
In their support page about privacytests they mention that they will only use tracker blockers, thus blacklists. This way only known trackers get blocked and tracking attempts that are new or just are often changing their domains can get passed this. And we even see an increase of first party tracking or hiding third parties weithin the first party, all of this will get ignored by Vivaldi.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon The reason Vivaldi says is that it will break websites.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221003174703/https://vivaldi.com/security/common-questions/#privacytests
The fact that Firefox and Brave are able to ship many protections and first party isolations without breaking anything shows the opposite and for FF most breakings are either hardcoded or because of missing Gecko support.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon I have been using Brave on strict settings for at least a year now and breakings are so rare, that I only can name on site of the top of my head and its one feature on Leetify.com that partially breaks.

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon I have tried Vivaldi in the past, I think its a good browser, it just lacked the reason for me to justify to switch and was to overwhelming. I very much agree with both the stance on crypto and fediverse Vivaldi has and that Vivaldi specifically splits up the tracker and ad blockers, that are all things that made me look in to Vivaldi (and the RSS reader). But what turned me down last time was that I thought it was closed source,

@techlore @Vivaldi @hen @jon the communication about that needs to be more clear.
The way I understand the term open source it just means that the source code is available, what Vivaldi isn't is free as in freedom (or FOSS) and I think it should be communicated like that.
I will give Vivaldi another shot now but keep Brave around for all the sites that engage in tracking as I can't trust Vivaldi in protecting me.