#InformationBlackhole

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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#discord</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhiCP8AQWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</a><ul><li>It's worse than any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mumble</a> or even the old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamSpeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TeamSpeak</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Skype</a> for that matter.</li><li>It combines the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forum</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paywalled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#paywalled</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/voicechat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#voicechat</a> with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zulip</a> & Mumble & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>) it's just an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a>!</li></ul>I'm shure fecking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dread" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dread</a> has better moderation and I'd rather use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftTeams</a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> cuz those at least have proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moderation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#moderation</a> tools.<ul><li>And I'd rather subscribe to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LKML</a> and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SaaS</a>!</li></ul>Case in point: I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHost</a> all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GDPR</a>-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does everything but horrible to go with multiple smaller & good tools<ul><li>Public Chat? IRC!</li><li>Group Voicechat? Mumble.</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Documentation</a>? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkDocs</a>-material.</li><li>1:1 Chats? XMPP+OMEMO.</li><li>E2EE Group Chats? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a>.</li><li>E2EE Calls? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebCall</a>.</li><li>Filehosting? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IPFS</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BitTorrent</a>, oshi.at, etc. ...</li><li>…</li></ul>Check <a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@alternativeto</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/@european_alternatives" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@european_alternatives</a> for options.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@rcombs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rcombs</a> except <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#discord</a> is an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> and ignores CWs... <a href="https://catwithaclari.net/notes/a5lp3gbxgihq09gi" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://catwithaclari.net/notes/a5lp3gbxgihq09gi</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://dumbfuckingweb.site/@silhouette" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@silhouette</a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@mjd" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mjd</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@simontatham" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@simontatham</a> <a href="https://mendeddrum.org/@fanf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fanf</a> Oh yeah, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#discord</a> is even worse garbage cuz you cannot index that shite!<ul><li>It's an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> with unavceptable <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToS</a> and rapid onset <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Enshittification</a>!<a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114188059483579596" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114188059483579596</a></li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@mattly" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mattly</a> all of the aformentioned media are inherently ableist and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> is an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> with unacceotable <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToS</a>!<ul><li>Whereas written <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a> is trivially transferable.and translateable: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TextToSpeech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TextToSpeech</a> works for over a quarter century fine...</li></ul>

bm<a href="https://geekdom.social/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> is not structurally identical to <a href="https://geekdom.social/tags/Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Facebook</a> or <a href="https://geekdom.social/tags/Twitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Twitter</a>, as per discussed, but its impact on gaming communities as an <a href="https://geekdom.social/tags/InformationBlackHole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackHole</a> is inexcusable (h/t <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kkarhan</a>):<a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112740148000540451" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112740148000540451</a><a href="https://brologue.net/2024/04/11/enscattification/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://brologue.net/2024/04/11/enscattification/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@drewdevault" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@drewdevault</a> Using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> for any serious communication should disqalify the projects and those using it from being taken serious in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> development at all.<ul><li>Discord is an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> with unacceptable <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToS</a> and no good way to export and search anything from it.</li></ul>At least with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mailinglists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mailinglists</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a> we had the latter problem solved, and whilst a lot of people criticize <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GitHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GitHub</a> for all the valid reasons, one does not need to have a GitHub account to merely read issues and access documentation published there.<ul><li>Also it's easier to setup a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Webpage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Webpage</a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mkDocs</a> that provides a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/searchable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#searchable</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GithubPages" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GithubPages</a> and a custom <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Domain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Domain</a> than to even bother trying to customize some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Bot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Bot</a> for Discord...</li></ul>Not to mention Discord has a shitload ob absurd and archaic limitations that have no reason to exist, so even if one were okay with using that garbage <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SaaS</a> they'd inevitably run into the limit of "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Servers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Servers</a>" [or rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Instances" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Instances</a>] they can actually access at the same time VERY QUICKLY...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://blob.cat/users/Jain" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Jain</a> <a href="https://blob.cat/users/icedquinn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@icedquinn</a> agreed...Tho if they basically said "Feel free to do what you want with it" somewhere archived (like on the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WayBackMachine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WayBackMachine</a>) that would be good.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> sadly is an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> and worse than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MailingLists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MailingLists</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftTeams</a> combined...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://systemli.social/@anneroth" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@anneroth</a> ja, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Enshittification</a> oder genauer <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slackification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slackification</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discrodification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discrodification</a>, weil <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Slack</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> diese <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Undurchsuchbarkeit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Undurchsuchbarkeit</a> als informationelles "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SchwarzesLoch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SchwarzesLoch</a>" aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackHole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackHole</a> pioniert haben...Deshalb nutze ich die auch nicht... <a href="https://zulip.com/why-zulip/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://zulip.com/why-zulip/</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://connectified.com/@masukomi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@masukomi</a> +9001%People should learn to use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#markdown</a> or be haunted by the Ghost of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AaronSwartz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AaronSwartz</a> until they do!<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> is irredeemabky bad and a literal <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InformationBlackhole</a> because unlike any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forum</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mailinglist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mailinglist</a> (which are also bad because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/git" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#git</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/svn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#svn</a> and other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VersionControl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VersionControl</a> systems exist) content can't be <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/archived" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#archived</a> nor <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/migrated" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#migrated</a> out of it...Also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/loginwalling" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#loginwalling</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#documentation</a> is generally an asshole-move, espechally on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> where ome can't reasonably claim "(3rd party) IP has to be protected" or some other shite...

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